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400W Diazo Metal Halide Lamp

This was my first ever HID lamp, and it sparked my interest in lighting. Got it for cheap at an electronics surplus store, and I had no idea that it wasn't a typical lamp until I powered it on and it was purple. Long story short I was not very knowledgeable back then and did some things to it that I shouldn't have. Now the electrodes are a little sputtered, and sometimes the lamp starts to cycle.

I believe this lamp contains halides of indium and gallium, the indium being the blue portion of the warmup and then gallium adding purple to the mix once it evaporates. Unsuprisingly when this lamp first strikes it is the typical mercury teal color.

I was going to get a close up shot of the arc with some polarizing filters, but when I turned it on again to try to do that the lamp would no longer warm up past the indium blue stage without cycling off. Oh well. Maybe I could have messed around with the CWA capacitor to get it to be stable but that will have to be for another time. I am open to giving this lamp away for a trade but haven't worked that out yet.

Being for use with diazo printing, this lamp emits some sort of UV wavelengths. I don't know exactly what they are or if they are harmful but I certainly wasn't looking right at it. Judging by the blackened pinch and flare seal this envelope is almost certainly leaded glass, so I would guess that it blocks most of the super duper harmful short wave stuff, though I don't know for sure.

It was not in its original box and the etch is practically non-existent, so I don't know who made it. It is also not marked with a burning position so I'm just guessing here really. Pretty sure it's not base-up only or base-down only as those usually have different refractory coatings. I haven't seen a lot of these lamps so I figured I would share. An admittedly cruddier picture of this lamp lit is my profile picture across many sites.
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400W Diazo Metal Halide Lamp


This was my first ever HID lamp, and it sparked my interest in lighting. Got it for cheap at an electronics surplus store, and I had no idea that it wasn't a typical lamp until I powered it on and it was purple. Long story short I was not very knowledgeable back then and did some things to it that I shouldn't have. Now the electrodes are a little sputtered, and sometimes the lamp starts to cycle.

I believe this lamp contains halides of indium and gallium, the indium being the blue portion of the warmup and then gallium adding purple to the mix once it evaporates. Unsuprisingly when this lamp first strikes it is the typical mercury teal color.

I was going to get a close up shot of the arc with some polarizing filters, but when I turned it on again to try to do that the lamp would no longer warm up past the indium blue stage without cycling off. Oh well. Maybe I could have messed around with the CWA capacitor to get it to be stable but that will have to be for another time. I am open to giving this lamp away for a trade but haven't worked that out yet.

Being for use with diazo printing, this lamp emits some sort of UV wavelengths. I don't know exactly what they are or if they are harmful but I certainly wasn't looking right at it. Judging by the blackened pinch and flare seal this envelope is almost certainly leaded glass, so I would guess that it blocks most of the super duper harmful short wave stuff, though I don't know for sure.

It was not in its original box and the etch is practically non-existent, so I don't know who made it. It is also not marked with a burning position so I'm just guessing here really. Pretty sure it's not base-up only or base-down only as those usually have different refractory coatings. I haven't seen a lot of these lamps so I figured I would share. An admittedly cruddier picture of this lamp lit is my profile picture across many sites.

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Lamp Type:Metal Halide
Filament/Radiator Type:Quartz
Base:E39
Shape/Finish:BT37
Fixture
Ballast Type:M59
Electrical
Wattage:400W
Voltage:135V
Current:3.25A
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Sammi   [Sun 03 May 2026 at 12:58]
Nice sequence.! Love
Max   [Mon 04 May 2026 at 07:50]
It's lucky that you got a blue-purple Sylvania MBP400BT37 as your first ever HID lamp, that's quite a rare one (I'd keep it if I were you). Its optical output is concentrated in the 360-500 nm range and the glass outer jacket filters out the dangerous shortwave UV radiation. I have the 500 W MP tubular variant filled with gallium iodide only. It is rated for an horizontal operation only, and I'm now wondering if your cycling problem has anything to do with an improper position resulting in the salt pool being located too close to the electrode, causing a too high metal iodide vapor pressure (gallium and indium iodides are very volatile additives). Try running the lamp in the horizontal position to see if it is more stable - it may still cycle initially as the salt pool relocates away from the electrodes, so give it time.
Drew   [Mon 04 May 2026 at 13:57]
@Sammi
Thanks!

@Max
I see, that does make more sense, presumably it was to be suspended over the print to be developed, so horizontal burning would be logical, sort of like a grow light. I wonder why it wasn't marked with a burning position. Good to know it doesn't emit harmful radiation. Next time I am home again I will set it up horizontally for a while and see what it does.
Max   [Tue 05 May 2026 at 06:53]
The operating position of Sylvania's jacketed reprographic MH lamps is not (always) mentioned clearly, even in their literature. I suppose it's implicitly horizontal since that's the case for all their tubular lamps (with exhaust tip up).
Drew   [Mon 18 May 2026 at 01:12]
@Max
I have an update. I operated it horizontally, and it cycled a few times. I took a closer look at it and saw that all of the yellow salts had relocated to the new bottom of the arc tube. Just out of curiosity, I decided to take some measurements. When it strikes, the voltage is around 20V and slowly climbing while the current is a little over 3.5A. However, the voltage never climbed above 30V before cycling off. On a little over 300VOC, 30V is a 10:1 OCV to lamp voltage ratio! What in the world could be happening here? I am fairly confident my Keysight 34450A is taking accurate RMS measurements, I have no explanation as to why it would cycle off at only 30V. And the 24uF capacitor unsurprisingly checked out fine. Tempted to scope it but I doubt I will see anything unusual. Weird stuff.
Max   [Sun 24 May 2026 at 07:25]
If there is no fault with your ballast, then the lamp behavior is very peculiar indeed. The only situation where I've seen an HID lamp extinguishing during the run-up phase was because of a too high discharge voltage re-ignition spike caused either by impurities (hydrogen in a new lamp) or by too much free iodine in a used lamp (due to the loss of metal additives via chemical reactions with the burner wall). This usually won't show up on RMS voltage measurements using a multimeter (those spikes can be very short in time), you need a peak voltage measurement (if your multimeter can do that), which is best done with an oscilloscope. To do things properly you should compare the voltage and current waveforms with those of a standard 400 W Metalarc, if you have one. This way you can confirm that your ballast works as expected (you never know...) and differences in measured characteristics can tell you many things about what is likely happening here.
Drew   [Mon 25 May 2026 at 00:31]
@Max
Next time I run it I will put it on my scope and see what kind of reignition spikes we get. I have no other 400W lamp to compare it to, but maybe someone else has taken measurements before.
Eric   [Mon 25 May 2026 at 03:51]
I've also got the Sylvania MP500/T16 variant...very interesting lamp...just need to find out what μF is needed to run it properly on an M59 CWA ballast.
Max   [Tue 26 May 2026 at 09:03]
According to GTE-Sylvania's Engineering bulletin O-343, the BT37 variant of their special reprographic MH lamps was available in 400 W only. So the data for the tubular-jacketed 500 W type is not applicable here.

Drew - Then it's maybe worth getting a cheap standard 400 W MH lamp, a Sylvania Metalarc preferably. Given the ongoing transition to LEDs it shouldn't be a problem to find one, either at one of your local hardware stores (possibly in the "rebate bin") or on any auction/retail websites out there.

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