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Fun with vacuum and high voltage

Here's a quick and dirty experiment I did using some glass tubing, copper wires, a rotary-vane pump, and an oil burner HV transformer to show my nephews what happens when you apply high voltages at various air pressures. Here, I estimate that the pressure was below the millibar level, with the tube full of contaminants (oil residues mainly) resulting in the whitish light emission of carbon-based molecules - a discharge in pure air would be dominated by nitrogen and would show a blue color at the electrodes and a reddish one in between.

The picture below is a close-up view of the coil electrode, showing a hollow cathode effect (see [url=https://trad-lighting.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=809]there[/url] for more details):

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Sputtering and chemical reactions certainly took a toll on that electrode. These mechanisms are responsible for gettering molecular gases, and had the tube been sealed, this would have resulted in a gradual decrease in pressure:

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Interestingly, this tube shows the characteristics of a DC discharge, with a Faraday dark space visible on the left, despite the fact that I applied an AC high voltage at 25 kHz. This is due to the electrode asymmetry, with the coiled one acting as a cathode due to its size and configuration. As a result, this discharge tube work as a rectifier, albeit an imperfect one, hence why the Faraday dark space is not entirely dark. The fain discharge visible on the right is caused by current leakage to the vacuum pump, which acts as a (distant) ground electrode.


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Fun with vacuum and high voltage


Here's a quick and dirty experiment I did using some glass tubing, copper wires, a rotary-vane pump, and an oil burner HV transformer to show my nephews what happens when you apply high voltages at various air pressures. Here, I estimate that the pressure was below the millibar level, with the tube full of contaminants (oil residues mainly) resulting in the whitish light emission of carbon-based molecules - a discharge in pure air would be dominated by nitrogen and would show a blue color at the electrodes and a reddish one in between.

The picture below is a close-up view of the coil electrode, showing a hollow cathode effect (see there for more details):



Sputtering and chemical reactions certainly took a toll on that electrode. These mechanisms are responsible for gettering molecular gases, and had the tube been sealed, this would have resulted in a gradual decrease in pressure:



Interestingly, this tube shows the characteristics of a DC discharge, with a Faraday dark space visible on the left, despite the fact that I applied an AC high voltage at 25 kHz. This is due to the electrode asymmetry, with the coiled one acting as a cathode due to its size and configuration. As a result, this discharge tube work as a rectifier, albeit an imperfect one, hence why the Faraday dark space is not entirely dark. The fain discharge visible on the right is caused by current leakage to the vacuum pump, which acts as a (distant) ground electrode.

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Tuopeek   [Sep 13, 2025 at 09:30 AM]
Great little demo, inspires me to clear my bench in the garage and get back into making discharge tubes again. Nice lead-through seal there too. This is an area of frustration as I have made so many tubes that seals leak in slowly over a day or so. Also, the getter sputtering is another issue I have experienced with a number of tubes working at pinch-off, then absorbing the gas fill until they become x-ray tubes Laughing . An annoying feature of this is the escalation due to the voltage increase to sustain the discharge sputtering increases mopping up more gas until the tube needs exceedingly high voltages to conduct. It’s quite an art getting the end vacuum stable at either low or high is the desired outcome.
Max   [Sep 14, 2025 at 04:53 AM]
Digging those pictures also reminded me that I should get back at making more of those tubes, I really need to improve my skills in that area. As you say, it's an art indeed getting the end conditions stable for a fully sealed tube. I've also seen some of those turning into vacuum tubes, with the glass bulb becoming luminescent at the end stage of the gettering process. I should try capturing that evolution someday, it's really beautiful, albeit a bit dangerous. On the subject of leaky end seals, I certainly had my fair share of those with tinned copper wires, which are definitely not as good as dumet wires, and I'm wondering if applying some lacquer, paint, enamel, or any other sealant onto the outer part of the feedthrough while keeping the tube hooked to the pump could actually solve the issue. I guess that's something I'll look into in my next experiments.
Tuopeek   [Sep 14, 2025 at 01:30 PM]
I have had some success salvaging seals by adding 2-part epoxy glue around the seal but it's only possible where the temperature remains low.
Max   [Sep 18, 2025 at 06:54 PM]
Heat is a problem indeed. Even a proper glue suitable for the tube's operating temperature may not solve the leakage problem as thermal cycles may result in delamination. So, it's always better to make proper seals to begin with.

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