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Plücker tube 2.0

Today I had some fun with glass, vacuum, and high voltage (I'll post more about it later, I've some nice stuff to share :). Turns out molecular plasmas are way more stable when there are no metal electrodes in contact with the discharge. Here the gas fill consists of humid air at about a couple millibars of pressure - I ran a pure water vapor discharge in this tube before filling it with air, re-pumping it and sealing it off (water is very persistant because it easily sticks to surfaces due to the polar nature of its molecule). Operation is at 5-15 kV and ~30 kHz, with power coupled to a pair of capacitive electrodes formed by aluminum taped tube sections at the extremities. I've run this tube for over an hour already and unlike in electroded tubes, the plasma does not show any sign of changes (the discharge is quite intense too! the picture above was taken with the room lights on).

Considering how Geissler and Plücker tubes were designed (i.e., with inner metal electrodes), their driving current had to be kept low to prevent a too fast gas cleanup, especially with the oxygen and water vapor fills, which are particularly reactive. In hindsight, those tubes should have been driven capacitively with external electrodes and using a beefed-up Ruhmkorff induction coil as a power source... more intense and stable discharges could have been obtained this way (but the high voltage and high frequency may cause some practical issues though). Now I'm wondering how Moore's (carbon dioxide and nitrogen) tubes would have performed with such method of operation.


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Plücker tube 2.0


Today I had some fun with glass, vacuum, and high voltage (I'll post more about it later, I've some nice stuff to share :). Turns out molecular plasmas are way more stable when there are no metal electrodes in contact with the discharge. Here the gas fill consists of humid air at about a couple millibars of pressure - I ran a pure water vapor discharge in this tube before filling it with air, re-pumping it and sealing it off (water is very persistant because it easily sticks to surfaces due to the polar nature of its molecule). Operation is at 5-15 kV and ~30 kHz, with power coupled to a pair of capacitive electrodes formed by aluminum taped tube sections at the extremities. I've run this tube for over an hour already and unlike in electroded tubes, the plasma does not show any sign of changes (the discharge is quite intense too! the picture above was taken with the room lights on).

Considering how Geissler and Plücker tubes were designed (i.e., with inner metal electrodes), their driving current had to be kept low to prevent a too fast gas cleanup, especially with the oxygen and water vapor fills, which are particularly reactive. In hindsight, those tubes should have been driven capacitively with external electrodes and using a beefed-up Ruhmkorff induction coil as a power source... more intense and stable discharges could have been obtained this way (but the high voltage and high frequency may cause some practical issues though). Now I'm wondering how Moore's (carbon dioxide and nitrogen) tubes would have performed with such method of operation.

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Lamp/Fixture Information
Manufacturer:Me
Lamp
Lamp Type:Humid air low pressure (capacitively coupled)
Filament/Radiator Type:Nonthermal discharge in low-pressure nitrogen, oxygen, and water vapor
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Factory Location:Home
Fabrication Date:14 March, 2026
Application/Use:Testing and experimentation
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Ria   [Sun 15 Mar 2026 at 00:55]
Oh now this one is really something special, you do manage to come up with them, Max Very Happy
Max   [Sun 15 Mar 2026 at 10:06]
You haven't seen anything yet Wink
Tuopeek   [Sun 15 Mar 2026 at 14:11]
Like how you have thinned the discharge path and kept the coupling area large. This will let you pass more current without overheating the glass as I've done on occasions. I know instinctively when my tubes will crack as you can tell when the glass is becoming conductive and it therefore too hot and will crack. I haven't intentionally used water vapour in a discharge as its so problematic. Don't even like it going through the vacuum pump Smile. It does offer a good solution to some less inert compounds. I found iodine attacked my neon sign electrodes if added. Look forward to your next posting on this.
Sammi   [Sun 15 Mar 2026 at 15:32]
@Max, cue for a song.? Mr. Green
Max   [Sun 15 Mar 2026 at 22:47]
Funny, this song popped up in my mind when I wrote my previous reply Laughing

Tuopeek - Too much water is certainly not good for the pump oil, but here I introduced only two-three drops of water in the discharge tube, which is not too bad. It was just enough to displace the air in the glass vessel and the result was certainly worth the risk (but I had to pump-flush the system quite a few times to get rid of water vapor afterward).

About the tube design, I was inspired by Plücker tubes which feature a capillary tube section between the electrodes. The narrower tube increases the mean electron energy in the plasma which, combined with the higher current density, greatly enhances the discharge's brightness there. Interestingly, although this is a very effective way to squeeze more light out of the tenuous plasma, conditions there still seem not too harsh for the molecular gas. An inspection with a spectroscope shows a molecular spectrum with no clear sign of atomic lines. I ran the tube further today and the discharge color and aspect remain unchanged still, while the total (system) power consumption is stuck at 16.5 W. I think the tube runs at 10-12 W, I haven't done any measurements on the HV side of the circuit. That's a very interesting result - I knew that electrodeless lamps are more stable chemically than their electroded counterpart, but I really did not expect such a good stability with this reactive molecular gas fill...

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